Knitting Machine Tips

Row Count Confusion

  • May 21, 2024


Donna Asked:

"My instructions are as follows:,
Increase 1 stitch both sides every 2 rows, 5 times. Work increases on row(s): ( 17 - 19 - 21 - 23 - 25 )
  1. Do you work the increase BEFORE you move the carriage across row 17?
  2. ~or~
  3. do you work it AFTER you move the carriage on row 17?"


#1 is correct
The Row Counter indicates the number of rows COMPLETED.
In this example, the increases would be worked WHEN the row counter READS 017.
  • We start knitting with the row counter set to 000
  • With the first pass of the carriage, the row counter advances to 001
  • this indicates 1 row completed
RC:237 indicates 237 rows have been completed.

RC:237 rows completed

RC:000 no rows have been knit
    • Glaucia C
    • June 4, 2024

    Google Translate: I've always done as option 1 indicates. It never occurred to me to do anything different, as we started with the counter on row 0, so row 1 will only be recorded after passing the car to the other side!

    • Glaucia C
    • June 4, 2024

    Sempre fiz como indica a opção 1. Nunca me ocorreu fazer diferente, pois começamos com o contador na carreira 0, assim a carreira 1 só será registrada depois de passar o carro para o outro lado!

    • Judy H
    • May 26, 2024

    If you own a copy of Garment Designer, that clearly follows #2: Work the decreases AFTER moving the carriage. You can tell because the generated shaping instructions show the row number, the direction of the carriage, and the decreases. One example is "Row 215, move carriage to right, decrease 4 stitches on the right." (I'm paraphrasing; the shaping instructions are in grid form rather than text.) In Garment Designer I've never seen more than one decrease at the starting side of a row (if you have alternate row shaping enabled) because you can bind off multiple stitches only on the side with the carriage and yarn feed; but on the other end of the row, you can decrease just one. So it follows that both are performed after the row is knitted. Other schemes might be different, but that's how Garment Designer handles it.

    • Cherie S
    • May 24, 2024

    I was told when I started knitting, crocheting and other pattern work, that the row number mentioned was the row you were working on and the last thing you did when you completed all of the various "tasks" you pushed the row counter, ticked it off, or crossed it out. It's been working ,so I'll stay with the "Row Counter indicates the number of rows COMPLETED!"

    • Terri S
    • May 22, 2024

    I think bothare ok as long as you are consistent within the object you are knitting

    • Judy H
    • May 21, 2024

    I like an approach I read elsewhere: Don't think of the row as complete until the changes are made. So ... I go with answer #2. "Work increases on row 17" for me, means to knit row 17, then make the increases. I am STILL on row 17 -- and that completed row reflects the increases.

    • Linda F
    • May 21, 2024

    I write patterns (for both hand and machine knitting) and I always indicate the current row as seen on the counter, as the time to complete the action specified. So I would indicate 016 for an increase to be done. It does appear that your pattern is doing it one step in advance. So when they say 017, they actually mean to move the sts around on 016. I find that quite confusing. We are all different :D

    • Deanna F
    • May 21, 2024

    I appreciate this discussion. When I started, I found this very confusing, but I eventually worked it out since we start with zero rows. I would love to understand what appear to be discrepancies in the different ways to display DAK information. For most garments, when I print "Garment Notation" and "Garment Text," the shaping often occurs on one row later in "Garment Text" than what is in "Garment Notation" (and "Shaping as Xs"). I agree, it generally does not matter for most knits, but with chunky knits I sometimes have 3 rows to an inch and it seems important.

    • Jenny M B
    • May 21, 2024

    For me, it depends on exactly what the pattern says. If it reads "At RC 123 increase ..." I will do just that. But if it reads "Increase on row 123" I will increase when the RC reads 122. "Increase on row 123" is slightly more confusing than my 2 examples but I would then increase when the RC reads 122. It probably isn't crucial to be exact to the row - 1 row difference will not make a difference! - but where increases/decreases are being made on alternate rows, as is often the case, they are usually done when the RC shows an even number, the equivalent of "right side row" in handknitting.

    • May 21, 2024

    Whichever way you choose, be consistent.

    • Donetta P
    • May 21, 2024

    I think I see now. When the row counter reads 017 the increases would be completed within that row because you made the increase before you knit that row when the row counter still read 016.

    • Hope R
    • May 21, 2024

    I agree - #1 is correct, but my brain works better if I make my changes when the RC says 017, 019 etc. So I trick my row counter by turning it ahead one. LOL its just a tool.

    • Thomas P
    • May 21, 2024

    Once the row counter indicates the row # (in this example 17) stated in the pattern do your increases. Easy!

    • Jenny B
    • May 21, 2024

    I agree that the confusion continues. My interpretation is as follows: Work the increase when I knit row 17. Which means, move the stitches when the row counter says 016 (16 rows have been completed). Then pass the carriage. Row 17 contains the increase.

    • Sue J
    • May 21, 2024

    The confusion continues ?? #1 is correct (but is badly worded) ... the pattern reads "at RC017 do something" Perform the task when the row counter READS RC017

    • Judith B
    • May 21, 2024

    I was wondering the same thing?

    • Donetta P
    • May 21, 2024

    I agree with the other commenter. The answer does fit. Shouldn’t the row counter by at 016?

    • Judy M
    • May 21, 2024

    If #1 is correct, in the Answer wouldn't the increase be worked when the row counter reads 16?

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